Firstly, I am a believer in the Bible and the Torah. And Torah says that a man cannot lay with another man’s wife — that is adultery.

Now, mind you, polyandry does indeed occur in our human world. But it is RARE, unlike polygyny, which is openly practiced in 2/3rds of the world (and is covertly practiced in the Western World, sometimes honestly and other times in illicit forms, in a negative manner, like a man cheating on his wife, or having multiple baby mamas, or serial monogamy…) . It often occurs when there is a shortage of women, and two brothers agree to share a woman. OR, if it is somehow proven that the man is unable to give the woman children, he will bring in his brother.
But it is very uncommon.

I believe biologically we are not wired for polyandry —

  • Women typically can only get pregnant by one man at a time.Meanwhile, a man can get more than one woman pregnant at the same time.
  • By the age of 55, a woman’s ability to have children is pretty much gone. Men can make babies up into their 70s.
  • A woman’s libido, on average, is less than a man’s.
  • The rate of women emotionally, physically, intellectually NEEDING a relationship with more than one person of the opposite sex (to the point where they will cheat, betray their current relationship to be with another person) is, on average, less than a man’s.

So at that point, it’s just a matter of nature.  *shrugs*
I dont push my views on people, typically people push their views on me. But I wanted you all to know that you wont ever see me supporting polyandry. You can DO what you WANT.
Because I’m gonna do what I want…
lol

SHALOM

Someone asked me that. So I decided to answer lol. Only took a sec.
Laila tov!

Here’s another video from wisenubianpolygyny1, on youtube. This is from the existing wife in their family. I’ve spoken to her briefly on the internet, and years ago, our husbands spoke on the phone for an extensive amount of time via the phone, as well.
She’s talking about the courting process that they go through with a wife. Will your family have a courting process? What will it be? What IS your courting process?

Find out what she is about first

Sorry; the other day the link from amarthenazarene did not post! Here

Polygyny: What says The Bible

It is a very thorough document, which I enjoyed reading. Shalom!

Shalom!

I know — it’s been a WHILE. Please forgive me on these long pauses I take. If you’re my friend on facebook, you know that I “be” around, on my phone most of the time. My laptop has been in the shop for months — this one is on loan from my sister and I’ll have it for another 45 minutes, at which point she’ll be over here and I’ll have to return it! lol
The person fixing my laptop is doing it for free — so that is why I’m not pestering. I know akh is busy I will not jump on his back on the matter… but it’d be nice to get my laptop back. Husband says I should let it GO because it’s OLD, but it’s still ticking even past it’s life span expectations.
I know so many women that are deathly afraid of polygyny. They have husbands that are persuing it, or they know me, personally, and the very idea of sharing a man scares them completely. They fear jealousy, someone possibly being better than them in some way. They were bred to be competitive, to be the one wife of a man. They — WE — have all been taught that we are to act jealously if our man expresses interest in another woman. They — WE, again lol — have all been taught that if he loves someone else, he cannot possibly love us!
This is an untruth! Just as you can have more than one best friend (or at least I do – I have 4 total, 3 of which I’ve known since childhood), or more than one child that you love, a man can have love for each woman that is his wife.

Another thing that is shocking to me is when we, in this society, are okay with, say, Bill Clinton having a mistress. Or ourselves or our friends having multiple baby daddies/mamas — but when someone mentions a man, being faithful to his WIVES, making a commitment to these WOMEN — people wanna freak out. Why the freak out? We’re not talking Warren Jeffs underage child, forced polygyny, we are talking consenting adults making an agreement to be a family, to raise their children and support one another, together.

I just wanted to address that. Also, let me post up a WiseNubianPolygyny video, and a .pdf from amarthenazerene. AWESOME KNOWLEDGE!!!

Shalom!

Let us Walk as One!

We’ve got alot of cleaning up of ourselves that needs to go on.

There are many of us that are aware. And we are SO VERY AWARE that there are issues within the black race!

That something needs to be done.

Please, people — do your part!

It’s never about hating any other races it’s about focusing on ourselves and cleaning up the mess that has been made of us thanks to slavery, Jim Crow and (I’m saying it, yes) the Feminist movement. (research the latter when you’re ready)

Look at us — we are 12-13% strong in America. And make up the majority in the prisons. Why? Not EVERYONE is innocent. We are 12-13% strong in America. And make up the majority of HIV/AIDS cases here. WHY?We are 12-13% strong in America. And our teens are more likely than any other race to get pregnant.

We are 12-13% strong in America. And our households are more likely to be headed by a single female.

WTH IS UP WITH US??We’re doing SOMETHING wrong.

As I said before — do your part.WHAT is your part you say? Because you are ONLY one person, right? What could little old you do to help us step away from being such a broken race of people??Teach your CHILDREN better. First of all. Teach your children in the way they should go and when they are old they will not depart from it. THAT’s scripture. But even if you don’t believe in scripture, it’s true — think about how much your own parents rubbed off on you!! Teach your children how to be MEN/WOMEN (what makes a good man/woman?). Teach them how to choose a proper mate — not some person that’s only attractive, or only fun, but smart and with good character (moral compass as well).Be an EXAMPLE of how to live right.Like I said in my status today, your children watch you; they watch how you live. Don’t forget that other people who aren’t where you are (mentally, in understanding, spiritually, in your walk), watch you too. Try to carry yourself as such. When you’re trying to live upright people will come to you to find out what you’re doing/how you do what you do. You want to be responsible, strong, with high moral character (integrity included). It would be great to try to display a pleasant (calm, discreet, respectful) personality as well.

…and when people DO come to you……try to lead them in an upright direction. Don’t give them morally low ideas to follow through on. Most spiritual belief systems believe in “Karma” (Eastern word for it). What you put out is what comes back to you. If you are a morally upright person and try to show people that, and try to lead your kids in that direction and be a good stewart of others, that’s what youll get back. But if you are of low moral character — if you participate in wicked dishonest deeds and aren’t responsible for your actions in the world, know that you’ll get it back in return.If each one of us is responsible for ourselves, our actions, and the little people that look up to us, I believe the world of black people will become healthier, more steadfast and upright in general. THEN, after we’ve rid ourselves of the majority of the negatives (and start raising up Master-Teachers lol) we can start to bond and sing kumbayah with others.But if no one is really willing…it will continue on this way…

and it will only get worse…

THINK ABOUT IT…(For believers know that the adversary does NOT want unity he wants confusion, war, hatred and debauchery…)SHaLoM

A khemetic sister. I “know” her, inasmuch as I know anyone online lol. I don’t know why I have not posted her videos on here before.

Speaking on the legalization of polygyny — which I have talked about before on here, but under a different title.

Y’all have to bear with me. I’m very eclectic in my thoughts and my beliefs. I believe in Yahweh, I believe in Torah. I believe you do NOT add OR subtract from Torah. No; not at ALL. We don’t listen to a man and just accept what he says as a proper understanding of Torah. We don’t adhere to a lot of things that humans put on other humans when those things are not expressed in Torah (i.e., not drinking. Scripture does not talk about people not drinking; you get to the New Testament and they tell older women to not to be given to much wine. That doesn’t mean NO wine. They don’t want some Drunky McGee telling the younger women how to be).
We do not understand the modesty suggestions in the Bible the way many others understand them. I don’t wear clothing made for men, and my husband does not wear clothing made for women. Nothing says don’t wear pants because there are pants specifically made with a woman in mind. Plus when pants were originally made, they were worn by men and women (women in harems used to wear pants). And before those pants were made, everyone walked around wrapped in robes (that some could say were “dress-like”). I cover my head, but for various reasons. Either my head is covered to show to other Hebraic peoples that I am married, or we are in prayer, or I don’t want attention drawn to me (I may not be pretty to you, but I’m pretty to some, and covering my head makes men leave me alone).
While I may talk about my beliefs on here, or on my videos, or on my facebook page, I don’t go to other people’s pages and talk about my beliefs if I disagree with them. If I disagree and disagree STRONGLY, either I don’t say anything at all, or I address that person directly (if a debate would be interesting to me). I mostly feel that, eventually, if I’m right about something, that Yahweh will sway that person towards it.
I don’t take stock in details. If one person likes to open their Shabbat in the way of Jewish tradition, so be it; if another person likes to just read a psalm, sing a hymn and say a prayer – so be it. HOW to open Shabbat is not discussed in scripture. But what is said about Shabbat in scripture?? You are to remember, to observe. You are to refrain from work on that day. You are not to light a fire. You are not to exchange funds. You are to rest. THAT’S IT. Anything else, how you do these things – I feel that’s up to you because if The Most High wanted to tell you how to do it, He would have told you how to do it.
I think with all this I’m trying to say – I’m a real person. I strive for righteousness. But for some of you I may either be too righteous or not righteous enough. But I’m REAL. I am alive and I don’t want anyone to think I’m something I’m not. Not perfect, no. Don’t understand it ALL, no I don’t. Guilty of missing the mark all the time, yes. Just like you.
Alright I just wanted to talk. People get the wrong idea sometimes. And really, to ME, if you don’t ask me the right questions you are not going to get the answers you want. Some things I just don’t discuss so that we (you and I) don’t have discord between us.
SHaLoM WeH BoQeR ToV

MeekaJael and Vauno are youtubers who typically gear their videos towards natural hair care for women of color (called the Real Queens Hair Regimen). They are Hebrew, but are not Hebrew Israelite, and, like us, are not affiliated with any Hebrew church, assembly, fellowship, or camp. They are just seekers of The Most High God.

That being said — they’ve made a Polygamy series!!! For Our Enjoyment!!!
Here:

From Preparing.org:

Messianic Polygyny

And in that day, seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by your name, to take away our reproach.

– Yesha’yahu [Isaiah] 4:1

For the ancient Israelites, the manifestation of Kingdom order in their midst set them apart from all the other great nations of the ancient world – head and shoulders above the pagan, goddess worshipping heathen round about. And in ordering the families of Yisrael [Israel], the use of polygyny (the practice of one man having more than one wife) was not uncommon – especially among the great patriarchs of the faith…

Abraham, Ya’aqob (Jacob), Moshe (Moses), Dawid (David) and many others had more than one wife. The great lawgiver Moshe himself, who commanded that adulterers should be stoned to death, made provisions for polygyny in the Torah – and under certain circumstances, even required it as a matter of law (Debarim [Deut.] 25:5; 21:15-17).

Hear O Yisrael – the original promise to our father Abraham that he would be the father of many nations was itself a call to polygyny! Sélah.

After all, in most cases, if a man has only one wife, he can only birth one nation! This is why it is written of Abraham, “But unto the sons of the concubines (secondary wives), which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.” (Bereshit [Gen.] 25:6).

And as it is written, “And if you be Christ’s, then are you Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal. 3:29).

As of this year, some eighty-plus percent of the world’s societies practice polygyny. And yet according to her own statistics, the United States of America, which considers polygyny immoral, leads the world in adultery, divorce, rape, prostitution and pornography (not to mention drug abuse, alcoholism, and murder). Nevertheless, the issue of biblical polygyny still stirs great wrath among those born and raised under Hellenistic philosophies and influence.

Clearly, Western theologians interpret Hebrew Israelite scripture with a Greco-Roman cultural bias. How then could they NOT conclude that the ‘New Testament’ condemns the practice of polygyny? And the end result has been that the vast majority of the household of faith, and so-called black people in particular, are completely unaware of the longstanding history of Messianic/Christian polygyny…

Nevertheless, as we so often prophesy, true Biblical marriage is being restored to the faithful remnant at this very hour! Why? The truth is, the revelation of polygyny in Christ is key to not only setting Messianic/True Christian families in order, but to preparing the true churches for Y’shua!

Hear O Yisrael – the marriage of Y’shua and the Church is/will be a plural marriage! Sélah.

For example, in the Song of Solomon [which is by all accounts, a glorious prefiguring of Messiah’s love for His Church], it was said to King Solomon by his favorite queen, the Shulamite, “…your name (honor, authority and character) is as ointment poured forth; therefore do the virgins (young women) love you. Draw me, and WE will run after you…” (Shir HaShirim [The Song of Songs] 1:3.4).

Y’shua Himself revealed Messianic polygyny in His betrothal to the Church, through His parable of the ten virgins [See MattitYahu (Matt.) 25:1-13]. (Remember, Y’shua lived and taught outside of the context of Greco-Roman marriage – i.e. ‘mandatory monogamy’, ‘bridesmaids’, etc.) To be sure, there is only ONE church – but there are many varied aspects of the Light of Mashiach that are of necessity reflected and highlighted by various congregations. Sélah.

And beyond dispensationalism, this is why Y’shua, in His very Revelation to the world, chose to address seven churches (seven “wives”) rather than the whole nation at once – revealing yet another reflection of the spiritually polygynous nature of YHWH and Y’shua!

As we have consistently pointed out, it’s no mere coincidence that the nation of Israel – the very root and foundation of true ‘Christianity’ – sprang forth from our father Ya’aqob (Jacob) and his four wives. To suggest that polygyny constitutes adultery is to suggest that ancient Israel was a nation of bastards! Would the Most High, pristine in His holiness, enter into a sacred oath with an accursed people? YAH forbid!!

Moreover, in the book of Revelation – which is after all, a part of the ‘New Covenant’ – it is written that the names of the twelve sons resulting from Ya’aqob’s polygynous relationships are permanently enshrined in the gates of the Holy City, the New Jerusalem! (Rev. 21:12). This is the very abode of YHWH HIMSELF! How then can we dare suggest that Messianic/Christian polygyny is sinful? Again, YAH forbid!!

And again, allegorically speaking, even YHWH Himself is polygynous…

It is written, “The word of YHWH came again to me, saying, Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother. They committed harlotry in Egypt, they committed harlotry in their youth; their breasts were there embraced, their virgin bosom was there pressed. Their names: Oholah the elder and Oholibah her sister; they were Mine, and they bore sons and daughters. As for their names, Samaria is Oholah, and Jerusalem is Oholibah…” (Yechezkel [Ezek.] 23:1-4).

Hear O Yisrael – as a critical point of truth; without a revelation of the spiritual polygyny of our Father YAH, and our Mashiach Y’shua, we simply cannot fully understand how YAH operates His creation; how Y’shua administrates His church; or how to fully discern the Father’s perfect will for our lives, families, congregations and communities!

disinheritance

The ancient prophets of Israel foresaw and prophesied in the Spirit that because of backsliding and rebellion, in the course of time, the covenant blessings, including polygyny, would be stripped from the nation – for a season. As it is written, “For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim…” (Hoshea [Hosea] 3:4).

Even so, biblical polygyny will once again prove to be a critical key to restoring our overall national inheritance in Messiah/Christ.

Over the last seventeen centuries or so, multiplied millions of the faithful have been misled into believing an “ideal” marriage is composed of one man and one woman (“mandatory monogamy”). In truth, this “sacred cow” of Greco-Roman theology is nothing more than a religious facade and genocidal alternative to biblical polygyny – right along with adultery, fornication, prostitution, homosexuality, lesbianism, forced abstinence, forced celibacy, serial polygamy, etc.

And of course, many of us have come to believe that plural marriage is just another fleshly practice, and is actually a part of the problem rather than the solution. For example, polygyny’s opponents site rape, child molestation, forced marriages with underage girls, etc. as undesirable aspects of polygyny, and thus reasons to reject it. But in point of truth, these tendencies are manifested just as often in so-called ‘monogamous’ marriages!

Obviously, these kinds of abuses should be rejected and punished in all instances – but based upon the actual offenses involved; whatever the marital arrangement happens to be. Plain and simple. But beyond that, there are some very basic problems with ‘mandatory monogamy’:

1) It’s unscriptural.

2) It forces large numbers of righteous women to remain husbandless or worse.

3) In cases where a wife cannot bear children, it makes it impossible for a man to produce an heir without divorce.

For the most part, the monumental error of ‘mandatory monogamy’ is sustained by a poor translation of the apostle Paul’s directive in 1 Timothy (and Titus) requiring bishops to be “the husband of one wife.” It therefore becomes needful to understand what was actually being taught about marriage in this epistle.

To begin with, in chapter five of that same epistle, the apostle writes that a widow should not be taken under the financial care of the church unless she has been “…the wife of one man…” (1 Tim. 5:9). But the word “one” in that passage is “heis”, which is the Greek word for the actual number “1”. Paul was clearly teaching that such a woman had to have been the wife of only one husband – in other words, a woman free of adultery.

It was not merely by chance that a completely different word for “one” was used when referring to the qualifications for a bishop! The Greek word, “mia”, was used in the passage “A bishop must then be blameless, the husband of one wife…” (1 Tim. 3:2).

In other words, although the Greek word “mia” can accurately be translated as “one”, given the fact that a totally different Greek word for “one” was used in this passage, a more accurate translation of “mia” into English in this particular instance would be “first.”

And certainly, those who later translated the Greek NT into English were “Greco-Romanized” (Hellenized), and thus translating from a culturally biased, non-Hebraic frame of reference.

Rather than forbidding a bishop to practice polygyny, the apostle Paul was simply saying that a bishop must be a man who has remained faithful to his first wife – a man free of adultery. In both instances, the issue isn’t polygyny, it’s adultery, or the breaking of wedlock – the Hebraic/Mosaic laws of which are different for male and female.

Secondly, most Hellenized biblical scholars point to Adahm and Khawah (Adam and Eve) as proof that monogamy is YAH’s ideal form of marriage. One man, one woman. But in truth, when the two became one flesh, the marital equation became 1 + 1 = 1. And without violating YAH’s original intent for the creation of male and female, this divine arithmetic clearly allows for 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 as well…

Thirdly, a major rationale for the remnant continuing in ‘mandatory monogamy’ is supposed obedience to the apostle Kefa’s [Peter’s] directive to the church to “submit yourselves to every ordinance of man.” In other words, Messianics/Christians should only enter into “legal” marriages, which includes a “marriage license” from the state.

But the word “ordinance” in that passage is simply referring to the form of government, as in “whether it be to the king as supreme, or unto governors” etc. – not to blindly following every man-made doctrine or ungodly statute! Following that line of reasoning, the original disciples of Y’shua were wrong for preaching the Gospel, since it caused them to be jailed as violators of the law…

Furthermore, the apostle Paul instructed us to forsake worldly courts to judge even the smallest disputes among the saints [See 1 Cor. 6:1-8]. How much more then should we recognize that the true authority to sanction our marriages in the sight of YAH rests squarely upon the shoulders of the faithful remnant ALONE!

In reality, placing our marriages in the hands of the state has resulted in unheard of levels of divorce, and actually led to rampant adultery as well. For example, if a man were to put away a YAH-ordained wife in a “no fault” divorce, the state [and tragically, most churches] would then grant him continued good standing in their respective communities, and even sanction another “marriage” that YAH has declared to be unlawful! Sélah.

Historically speaking, it wasn’t until the onset of European incursion into the “New World” (1492 c.e.) that the authority to sanction marriage was moved from the church alone into an alliance with the state, by decree of the Vatican. So then, were all the marriages in the Most High that occurred in the nearly fifteen-hundred years before that point illegitimate? Obviously not. As it is written “What YAH has joined together, let not man put asunder.”

Finally brethren, coming full circle; this whole dynamic played itself out in the first family of faith…

The reason Sarah’s handmaid Hagar despised her when she became with child by Abraham was that Hagar then assumed she had the right to claim Abraham exclusively. Unlike the freewoman – the mighty woman of faith, Sarah – Hagar was an Egyptian slave who cherished the mandatory monogamy practiced by the common people of her mother nation…

Rather than convert to Abraham’s YAH-ordained patriarchal and polygynous family structure, she remained loyal to her slave heritage – and raised her son accordingly. [Was this the gratitude Sarah deserved for sharing her husband with her handmaid?]

Notice that when Hagar finally fled from Sarah’s indignation, the angel of YAH sent to comfort her did not agree with, nor confirm her stand for mandatory monogamy. Instead, he told her to return and submit to her ‘mistress’ – the HEAD wife, Sarah. Hagar returned, but refused to submit.

The enduring rift between Isaac and Ishmael; between Israelites and Arabs; between the Torah and the Qur’an, is the devastating result.

RESTORATION

According to the scriptures, the sun, moon and stars typify the family. It is written, “He gave the lesser light to rule the NIGHT.” I am fully persuaded that every foul spirit of darkness that would keep this controversy boiling will soon end up where they belong: under the feet of the daughters of Abraham! HalleluYAH!!

We are now living in the age when the prophecy of YeshaYahu (Isaiah) concerning seven women taking hold of one man must be fulfilled; especially among Hebrew Israelites (“African-Americans”/”blacks”) – if for no other reason than as a matter of sheer survival!

The truth is the same today as it’s always been. When a righteous woman is filled with the Holy Spirit, her natural desire is to be a wife and mother with only one man. But often times, due to dire circumstances, the Spirit will lead a married Israelite man to take on an additional wife. And, contrary to popular worldly and even ‘religious’ opinions, not so much for his sake, but for her sake. Sélah.

For example, in most societies, including America, it often comes down to basic arithmetic – women simply outnumber men. And when you add to that the huge, disproportionate number of Israelite men in prison, the problem for our people becomes even more acute. In many instances, unmarried women, many of them with children, who need a strong man of YAH, are called to plural marriage by necessity. For these causes, the Ruakh (Spirit) leads men and women in different ways for the overall benefit of the family, the community, and the Kingdom.

In the final analysis, the Truth of the matter is, the Babylonian/Greco-Roman doctrine and pseudo-practice of ‘mandatory monogamy’ is a manifestation of the spirit of Jezebel…

Nevertheless, take heart, children of YAH! For just as the ministry of EliYahu (Elijah) overcame the spirit of rebellion in Ekhab and Isabel (Ahab and Jezebel); and the spirit of Elijah in Yehochanan (John the Baptist) did the same to prepare the way for Mashiach; so the spirit of Jezebel slandering the Kingdom order of family in our generation will be overcome – through YAH’s true shalachim v’nabim (apostles and prophets). HalleluYAH!!

Hear O Yisrael – true Messianic polygyny is not only acceptable in the Beloved, it is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled!

It is written, “And I will restore to you the years that the locust has eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. And you shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of YHWH your Elohim, that has dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.” (Yo’el [Joel] 2:25,26). Behold, the hour is at hand…

Rejoice all you holy ones, and be glad! For YAH has chosen to restore Kingdom order to the lost/found Messianic Israelite Commonwealth in our own generation… Including the divine polygynous family order of our father Abraham – the fulfillment of the Great Promise – and the glorious Kingdom Shalom that shall most assuredly be the result!

Shalom Aleichem!